Why Does it Sound the Same?
Dr. Lorraine Day’s Response to Judy Andreas
It is clear that Judy Andreas’ article entitled, “The Word ‘Jewish’ Does not Begin with Z” (12-30-05) is in response to her “imaginings” of what I said when I was a guest on Jeff Rense’s program on Wednesday, December 28, 2005. It most certainly is not based on fact.
Rarely do I have the time to get into a debate with people on these issues, particularly with those who are careless and irresponsible with the facts, as it usually creates more heat than light. In most instances, I prefer just to ignore the brickbats, slurs and barbs that are tossed my way, and instead to continue to tell TRUTH, rather than to debate with someone who has deliberately attempted to damage my reputation and credibility.
But when a journalist or columnist plays fast and loose with the truth, I have a duty to respond.
Because Judy Andreas’ very own recent writings CONTRADICT what she says in her essay (see below) to which I am responding, it is important to bring this to the attention of the reader of Jeff Rense’s website as well as the listener’s of Jeff Rense’s radio program and others who are interested.
And, because her article has been posted on Jeff Rense’s web site in a most prominent position, I feel that I have the obligation to Set The Record Straight.
But, before we begin, I would like to point out a few things:
Often the term anti-semitism is tossed around by Jews as casually as a short-order cook slinging hash. It seems that non-Jews, like me, are forbidden to say things about Jews that Jews are allowed to say about each other. In Jewish newspapers and periodicals, Jews brag that the Jews OWN and RUN Hollywood, AND the television networks, AND Wall Street, etc. But let a non-Jew mention any of these facts, and the Jewish organizations as well as many Jewish individuals begin frothing like a rabid dog. Immediately the crying towel of victim-hood is yanked from its ever-ready conveniently-placed pocket, and the “dobbining” and the “oy-veys” begin. “We’ve suffered more than anyone!” “You’re persecuting us (by telling the truth!)” “No one should be allowed to say anything bad about us (even if it’s true!)” and finally, the eternal slogan of the Jewish culture and religion which is “NEVER FORGET!”
I have some news for you that you are not going to like. ANY individual OR culture OR religion that has as their watchword “Never Forget” will DESTROY themselves!
Lack of forgiveness ALWAYS leads to disease and death - - - whether in an individual, in a religion, or in a culture!
Now, if I’m not allowed to point out this obvious “dysfunctionality” of the Jewish culture, why is it acceptable for the Jew, Woody Allen (aka Allan Konigsberg) to make his fortune by turning his “Jewish dysfunction” into an “art form!”
But Who are the REAL Bashers?
Who is really bashing whom? The overwhelming evidence shows that Jews are consistently lambasting Christians.
ANTI-Christianity has overtaken anti-semitism by Leaps and Bounds! Here are just a few examples of the overt, aggressive movement to eliminate God, Jesus and Christianity - AND Christians! from the culture of America.
In January, 2005, in Sacramento, CA, a kindergartener was rebuffed in front of the class as the girl read from a Christian book in fulfilling her turn to be “star of the week.” She brought a book that said, “Jesus said not to lie, so like Jesus you should always tell the truth.” The teacher interrupted the child and said, “You are not allowed to read books about God in class.” The teacher was dead wrong.
A student can express a religious viewpoint when it is within the scope of an assignment.
In May of 2005, in San Diego, CA, a dance teacher working for a middle school district was terminated from her job after a complaint that she used religious music in her instruction. The teacher had used some secular music and also included a classical piece by J.S. Bach, sung in Latin, and a song in Swahili which translated “Praise God.”
Again, contrary to what the law allows.
California law allows instructors to use references to religion while teaching and this law specifically includes dance instruction.
Public school districts in America have literally been intimidated by what they erroneously believe, that no teacher or student in public school in America may mention God or religion in any way.
Why are they intimidated? Because they are afraid they will be sued, even though unjustly, by the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union), a Zionist-Jewish organization, and incur a heavy financial burden from attorneys’ fees and court costs to defend themselves.
I have an acquaintance who is an attorney who was ordered by the ACLU to remove from his personal corporate stationery, the words “Christian Corporation”, as if his stationery was any of the ACLU’s business. Fortunately, he was not intimidated and refused! But he was hassled by them for months!
The movie “The Last Temptation of Christ” produced by Jewish-run Hollywood is arguably the most blasphemous movie ever made about Jesus Christ.
The new NBC television show, “The Book of Daniel” (The real mastermind behind NBC’s TV programming is Jeff Zucker, a Jew.) is an “unprecedented assault on the time-honored ideal of the Christian family.” Star Aidan Quinn says “I’m an Episcopalian priest who struggles with a little self-medication problem and I have a 23-year old son who’s gay and a 16-year-old daughter who’s caught dealing pot and another son who’s jumping on every high school girl he sees, and a wife who’s very loving but also likes her martinis.”
“Daniel’s” dysfunctional and degenerate family, led by a weak-willed father, is permeated with suspicion and backbiting. The second episode ends with hearty laughter during family dinner when Webster’s older son and secretary both boldly admitted their homosexuality. This is NBC’s portrait of a “Christian Family.”
I have heard that this show has been cancelled. But I can assure you that if it has, the same type of show will soon rise again.
(The famous Lichter/Rothman poll of top media executives found that 59 percent were “raised in the Jewish religion.” Is this what the “Jewish religion” teaches Jews?)
But since the Jews OWN and CONTROL virtually ALL media (movies, TV, magazines and newspapers), they have a field day bashing and bullying Christians and Christianity. They seem to do it with great fervor and delight!
Ernst Zundel, Rudolf Verbeke, Germar Rudolph and David Irving are honest, upright, courageous men who are rotting in prison, just because they had the audacity to expose the many lies of the Zionist Jews about the “Holocaust.”
These instances are just a miniscule peek at what is going on in the world today.
Judy Andreas identifies herself as “anti-Zionist, yet the “Holocaust” is the centerpiece of Zionism. The “Holocaust” has become a Religion. It is not allowed to be questioned by anyone! It must be accepted by faith without investigation! It seems there is a “Holocaust” museum on every corner many of them, if not all, at taxpayer’s expense!
Without universal belief in the “Holocaust” by the rank and file Jew, Zionism could not succeed.
The lies of the "Holocaust" 1) allow the Zionist Jews to extort billions of dollars from Germany, Switzerland and the U.S. to bank-roll the apartheid nation of Israel, 2) brow-beat the U.S. Congress into passing a bill - by unanimous consent! - to establish a special department within the U.S. State Department to monitor global anti-semitism, reporting annually to Congress, 3) deceive the United Nations into promoting the propagandizing, under the guise of "education," every nation in the world about the "Holocaust."
So, if a Jew says he or she is Anti-Zionism, yet believes in the many lies surrounding the “Holocaust,” he or she is a hypocrite!
It is the lie of the constant “perceived” danger of “another Holocaust” constantly kept in the minds of the rank and file Jews by the tyrannical leaders of International Jewry, that keeps the average Jew in darkness.
Every Jewish person has the obligation to study the real TRUTH of the “Holocaust.” Go to the many revisionist websites on the internet, including www.zundelsite.org and see for yourself how you have been lied to by your leaders.
For a Jew to say, “Well, I don’t know anything about the Talmud” or “I’ve never looked into the possibility that there may be a lot of propaganda surrounding the “Holocaust”, is unacceptable and irresponsible. Ignorance is no defense. The information is readily available.
If Jews are interested in promoting greater understanding, I suggest that you ask your Temple Rabbi to invite Ingrid Rimland Zundel Ph.D. to speak at your Temple to tell your congregation the TRUTH of the “Holocaust.” She is a soft-spoken, intelligent, articulate, pacifist who will open your eyes to truths that you’ve never heard before. She would be happy to come. I know because she has been my friend for over 15 years, long before she met and married her husband, Ernst Zundel, who has been in prison for three years for nothing more than questioning the Jews’ version of the “Holocaust.”
Where are the Museums in memory of the over 50 million Christians slaughtered and starved to death by the Jewish-run Bolshevik Revolution in Russia?
Where are the Museums in memory of the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Germans who were slaughtered and starved to death by the Jews AFTER World War II?
Until we get some open dialogue, some open debate, on these issues without an immediate onslaught of intimidation, nothing will ever be accomplished.
I am always looking for truth, no matter what the truth is. I welcome anyone who is also truly looking for truth.
Now we will turn to Judy Andreas’ article and examine the method and the subtlety of the smear. It reminds me of the writer who said,
“Damn with faint praise
Assent with a civil leer
And without sneeringTeach the rest to sneer”
- Alexander Pope
The Method: Any effort to discuss the issue is met with an attack on the character of the messenger. Consistently throughout your essay you use innuendos, deliberate lies, half-truths, misrepresentations, distortions, guilt by association, and perversions of the truth to smear me and my integrity.
Even though you claim in your essay to know little or nothing about the Talmud, you demonstrate the “Talmudic Method” in your entire essay. It must be that the Talmud has so permeated the life and culture of the Jew, that even though the rank and file Jew is unaware, many still behave in that fashion.
Now that we properly understand who is promoting ANTI-Christianity, who is attempting to remove every vestige of God and Jesus Christ from society, who is attempting to wipe out the morality of the Ten Commandments from society, we can proceed with our exercise.
Judy, if you are truly trying to expose Jewish Zionism, Christian Zionism, apartheid Israel, the lies surrounding the “Holocaust, and the crimes committed by Zionist Jews against the Revisionists (those who are attempting to set the record straight about the "Holocaust"), we agree on ALL of these things.
Then WHY are you attacking me?
I must conclude that, deep in your heart, you DON’T agree with me. Your concurrence, then, is only superficial. If so, to whom do you give your allegiance?
Here is Judy Andreas’ article, interspersed with my comments.
Judy Andreas’ article of 12-30-05, is printed here in plain type, identified by her initials J.A., with my responses in bold, identified by L.D.
I have also underlined some of the pertinent words and phrases in Ms. Andreas’ text that I discuss in the following bold type.
The Word 'Jewish'
Does Not Begin With Z
By Judy Andreas
J.A.: (Judy Andreas) Though I no longer identify with the Jewish Religion, there are many who still consider me Jewish. More importantly, however, I have friends and family who are Jewish.
L.D.: (Lorraine Day) “There are many who still consider you Jewish”? Are you saying that YOU do NOT consider yourself Jewish? Your FAMILY is Jewish! That makes YOU Jewish?
In addition, in the next to the last paragraph of your article you IDENTIFY yourself as “Jewish.” You write, “Having been a poor Jew for many years while I raised three children. . .” You are being disingenuous. Obviously, you consider yourself Jewish.
In one place on the internet, you identify yourself as a “Secular Christian.” That is an oxymoron. “Secular” means you DON’T believe in Christ. “Christian” means you DO believe in Christ. Being a “Secular Christian” is no different from saying you are a “Whitish-Black person.”
This is at best, disingenuous silly game-playing and at worst, deliberate subterfuge.
J.A.: These people are righteous people.
L.D.: ALL of your family and friends are “righteous” people? Isn’t that a bit of an exaggeration? Just a few paragraphs down, you warn against painting people with a broad brush. You have just “PAINTED” with a very BROAD brush.
J.A.: They are not sitting around planning the takeover of the world, nor are they supporters of apartheid Israel.
L.D.: Excuse me. Who said they were? You are implying that I suggested that YOUR friends and family are planning to takeover the world and are supporters of apartheid Israel. I don’t KNOW any of your friends and family. However, the Rothschilds (Zionist Jews) and their ilk ARE planning to take over the world. In fact, they’ve already done it.
J.A.: None of them has been invited to tea at the Rothschilds. Most of them are clueless about the racist Talmud, as I was at one time.
L.D.: If they are clueless about the racist Talmud it’s to their own detriment. That’s something all people should be aware of, particularly those who are Jewish. Why don’t they study into it and become informed? Ignorance is NO excuse!
J.A.: It always saddens me when I see people who clump Jews and Zionists together.
L.D.: It saddens me, too, particularly since you just did it. I didn’t do it, but you are implying that I did? That is irresponsible on your part. I made a very clear differentiation between Jews and Zionist Jews. If you had remained calm and spent the time to re-listen as I did (in Jeff Rense’s archives) to what I said, rather than responding with the usual knee-jerk reaction, you would have clearly heard that I repeatedly made the distinction between “Jews” and “Zionist Jews.”
I did NOT “paint with a broad brush” as you have accused me of doing! In fact, it is YOU who are the one “painting with the broad brush.”
Every time I talk about Zionism, whether on the Jeff Rense Program or elsewhere, I make that distinction, precisely because many Jews, like you, are extremely sensitive about this issue.
J.A.: I realize that there are those who honestly do not recognize the difference, however, there are others who are motivated by a deep hatred for Jewish people.
L.D.: What an inflammatory, outrageous, completely uncalled-for, totally inaccurate lead-in to your comments about me. Obviously, your plan is to paint ME with these defamatory words.
Your “high-toned” words later on about “trying to be fair” become a joke when you behave like this.
I do not hate Jewish people, as you imply. However, when you and other Jews make deliberately false and inflammatory statements such as these, it’s no wonder you generate antagonism in many people. This is nothing but Talmudic hypocrisy. By such statements, YOU are fomenting anti-semitism, the very thing you claim to fear.
J.A.: The other day, I was listening to a show on Internet radio. The guest was an ardent anti-Zionist. I agreed with much of what she said.
L.D.: You are obviously referring to me. I was a guest on the Jeff Rense program on 12-28-05. You dated your article 12-30-05. I am an anti-Zionist as YOU claim to be, but when you apply it to me, you use the phrase in a pejorative way like a dirty word. I assume that you apply the adjective “ardent” to yourself, as well.
J.A.: However, when a Jewish woman called in, the guest implied that the caller was being duped.
L.D.: I didn’t “imply” that she was being duped, I said it outright! And why did this bother you so much? Let me refer you to YOUR OWN writings! YOU say that “rank and file Jews are being duped.”
On 2/10/05 you posted an article entitled,
“Judy Andreas’ Letter: Opening Up Jewish Eyes.
Here are YOUR EXACT WORDS from this article!
“It was through the Hidden History of Zionism that I first learned about the Nazi/Zionist collaboration and how the ordinary Jew had been duped by an unconscionable cabal of greed and power. Sadly, I might add, the rank and file Jew is still being duped.”
Why are YOU, a Jew, allowed to say that rank and file Jews have been DUPED by the leaders of national and international Jewry, and I, a non-Jew, am NOT allowed?
Your attitude again is right out of the Talmud.
In my discussion with this Jewish woman, I freely admitted that I, as a physician, had also been duped by the hierarchy of medicine. Every physician has been duped into believing many lies, including the lie that vaccinations actually are safe and effective, the lie that chemotherapy and radiation are proper treatments for cancer, the lie that there is really no way to get well from chronic diseases, the lie that one must take drugs to cover up the symptoms of disease, and many other lies of organized medicine.
J.A.: She implied that all the higher ups in the Jewish religion are card carrying Jewish Supremacists who are racist Talmud thumpers.
L.D.: This is an outright LIE! I implied no such thing about Jews in the Jewish religion. I referred to the Zionist leaders of International Jewry. I have no way of knowing whether they are religious or not. I suspect that they are not, although they certainly “use” the Bible when it serves their purposes.
I have NEVER used the phrase “Jewish Supremacists” nor the phrase “racist Talmud thumpers,” phrases that YOU have coined to inflame the readers and listeners against me.
If you will re-listen to the broadcast, as I did, you will find that Jeff Rense, - not I - used the term “Jewish Supremacist” when he was listing a number of types of “Supremacists” only to denounce ALL “Supremacists.”
You should be ashamed. That is yellow journalism at its worst!
J.A.: The caller was appalled. She talked about how loving the Rabbi at her Temple was. She talked about her anti-Israel feelings. She talked about how the guest's diatribe was merely creating a backlash.
L.D.: The caller NEVER used the word “diatribe” or anything similar. Please do your homework, and listen again to the discussion in Jeff Rense’s archives.
I was the one who used the word “diatribe,’ NOT the caller and it was not referring to anything she was saying.
If you had any interest in truth (which by now is highly questionable), you would do your homework and re-listen to the program.
J.A.: My heart went out to the caller and I knew that I had to write something.
L.D.: The Jewish lady who called was a very nice person and was perfectly able to take care of herself. We had a rational, reasonable discussion and she didn’t need you “to write something” to help her out. She was perfectly capable of holding her own in the discussion. Don’t patronize your fellow Jews.
J.A.: I only hoped I could be equal to the task. Words are a sadly imperfect vehicle upon which to carry such a sensitive message.
L.D.: That’s a nice bit of melodrama!
J.A.: I have always striven to be fair.
L.D.: With the essay you’ve written, I must take this statement as your attempt at levity.
J.A.: I have been outspoken regarding my feelings about apartheid Israel and its sins against the Palestinians. I have pointed a finger at Mossad involvement in 911. I have written about the death of Freedom of Speech and the travesty of what is being done to people like Ernst Zundel and others who have merely dared to question.
L.D.: Good for you. Those are excellent stands you have taken. But if you are truly concerned about Freedom of Speech, why are you trying to intimidate me and my Freedom of Speech?
It’s very hard to believe you care one bit about the “travesty of what is being done to people like Ernst Zundel” when you bring similar wild accusations against me as have been brought against my friend Ernst.
J.A.: And, as a result of my writings, I have been targeted by Zionists who have called me names and made my life extremely uncomfortable.
L.D.: I’m sure you have. Zionists can be very vicious, whether Jewish Zionists or Christian Zionists. I have been attacked by Zionists, too. Now, it appears that I am being attacked by purported “Non-Zionists” as well!
J.A.: And yet, while I have attempted to be fair,
L.D.: Quit the drama! That’s not a believable statement in light of this article you wrote.
J.A.: I have also cringed at those who insist on painting all Jewish people with a broad brush.
L.D.: You are obviously still referring to me. Again, if you had done your homework properly as a good writer should, you would have re-listened to the tapes of the program where I was a guest, and you would have found that I did NOT paint all Jewish people with a broad bush! I made a clear distinction between Jews and Zionist Jews, as I ALWAYS do.
The amazing thing is that YOU are the one who is painting ME “with a broad brush.” Not the other way around. It is YOU who are doing to me EXACTLY what you have inaccurately accused me of doing to you. That method is also right out of the Talmud.
J.A.: I have read essays in which the writer has combed the depths of obscure Jewish sects to find practices that the average Jew finds repulsive and grotesque. I have read essays which refer to Jewish people as soulless. The result is that people, who do not know any Jews, imagine that we sit around drinking blood and nibbling on sacrificed babies. It's astounding that there are those who believe that "all Jews have horns". The result has been an ever widening, ever more hateful divide. It pits Jews against Gentiles and, at the end of the day, plays right into the hands of the people who are looking to enslave us. Their divide and conquer strategy is alive and well and living amongst us.
L.D.: You are the ULTIMATE in BROAD-BRUSHING! How can you possibly accuse ANYONE of doing this when you have made BROAD-BRUSHING into an “Art Form”?
This is underhanded sniping and very unbecoming of you. “Truth” seems to escape you in every paragraph of your essay.
J.A.: People who have any familiarity with the events of World War two, are aware of how the Zionists sacrificed their Jewish brethren as a means to get more sympathy for the State of Israel. (http://www.rense.com/general65/compare.htm) I suspect that they would gladly sacrifice them again.
L.D.: How true!
J.A.: When I began my incarnation as an Internet essayist, I knew nothing about The Talmud. I thought it was merely a book of laws. I soon learned that it was a book filled with hate against non-Jews.
L.D.: You are right! But you have learned the Talmudic methods very well as you have demonstrated in this essay. So why don’t you attack (with your pen) the Rabbis who wrote it?
J.A.: I was thoroughly confused. After all, my father, who was one of the kindest, gentlest men I'd known, had studied the Talmud. I had never heard the "g" word mentioned in my home. And when my sister and I married out of the religion, nothing hateful was said and the grooms were welcomed into the family. My father's philosophy was that we are all children of God. And yet, people I knew on the Internet were quoting abhorrent lines from the Talmud. I began my search for the truth among people I knew.
I spoke with a Protestant man who had, at one point, begun a conversion to Judaism. I asked him if he had read the Talmud. He said that he had to study it. I asked him if there was anything racist in it and he replied that there was not.
An Orthodox Jewish Doctor became my next interviewee. I asked her about the Babylonian Talmud and the comment that "it is preferable to lie down with animals than to lie down with non-Jews". She said that she had never heard of such a thing. "Why would Abraham have been commanded to lie down with Hagar?"
L.D.: A search for Truth by a good investigative writer will not consist of a few casual interviews with friends or family members. This is light-weight research and should never be used as a basis for any essay on a subject of such importance. You should be embarrassed. One must go to the source, to the Talmud itself.
In addition, Abraham was NOT “commanded to lie down with Hagar!” At least NOT by God. Your Orthodox Jewish Doctor friend should study her Bible a bit more thoroughly. Here is what the Bible says:
“And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the Lord hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid: it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of SARAI!
“And Sarai, Abram’s wife, took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.
“And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived, and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes.” Genesis 16:2-5
In fact, God was so displeased with what Abram had done that God eventually made Abram send away both Hagar and her son, Ishmael.
J.A.: A non-Jewish friend sent me a DVD she had made of an interview with a man who belongs to a group called True Torah Jews. This gentlemen, quoting the Talmud, remarked that it was a sin to steal from Jews and non-Jews alike.
L.D.: Again, a DVD of an interview with some unknown man sent to you by an unidentified friend, is hardly a solid source of truth about the Talmud.
You’ve got to do better than that!
J.A.: My confusion grew. I consulted with the always knowledgeable, ever- present google. "Is the Talmud racist?" I asked. A plethora of articles leapt onto my screen.
Michael Hoffman is often quoted for his writing about the racism in the Babylonian Talmud and the guest on the talk show had referred to him as well. Here are a few of the many examples that Mr. Hoffman gives from the Babylonian Talmud.
Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God -Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.
O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews - Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.
Jews Have Superior Legal Status - Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite... the payment is to be in full."
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews - Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean... "
Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews - Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews - Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human -Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals. Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth. Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
Insults Against Blessed Mary - Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men. (snip)
Copyright ©2000 by Michael A. Hoffman II and Alan R. Critchley. To read this in its entirety, please go to http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html
I can well understand how anyone who has read the list of racist quotations and believes that all Jewish people think this way, would be furious and disgusted. And yet, is there more to the story? I needed to know.
I came upon an article entitled: Is the Talmud racist? How do I defend Judaism against these accusations?
"Q: I am a Jew living in Dallas TX. I was watching news following the Presidential election and candidates. I was watching a news article on Pat Buchanan. They spoke of a white power activist group backing Pat. He said he didn't want their backing and the news mentioned a web site. www.stormfront.org. I thought I would visit this site and see that they had to offer to humanity. I was shocked to see what I had found. There was a section on the Talmud. Now I have not studied the Talmud or anything of that sort but was surprised at what I saw. Proclamations such as: Some Teachings of the Jewish Talmud Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell. Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed. O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work. Jews Have Superior Legal Status Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite... the payment is to be in full." Jews May Steal from Non-Jews Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean... " Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep. Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel." Jews May Lie to Non-Jews Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile. Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals. Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth. Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows. Living in the south I am bomb-barded with questions and attacks dealing with things of this nature. How does a Jew defend themselves when asked a questions of this nature? Where are they getting these writings? What does it all mean?"
L.D.: You, indeed, found at least TWO sources saying essentially the same thing, Michael Hoffman and this Jewish person living in Dallas. They both give quotations from the Talmud that say the same type of thing.
There are many, many more researchers who have also found these same hateful quotations in the Talmud.
J.A: I quickly checked most of the statements listed below with the actual statements and context of the Talmud, and for the most part they are either inaccurate or not representative of Jewish law. Talmud held as the holiest book in Judaism. The problem stems from a misunderstanding, or a perversion, of the literature of the Talmud. The Talmud is a collection of discussions on various topics of Jewish law, but not all of the material in every discussion:
1) represents the majority view;
2) applies today;
3) was meant to be taken seriously.
L.D.: With a stroke of your pen (or of your computer) you have, without ANY documentation, summarily dismissed ALL the problem quotations from the Talmud listed above.
You give NO evidence for your conclusions, whatsoever! Yet, you are asking US to believe your conclusions are true just because you SAY they are true!
Yet, YOU would NEVER believe anyone about anything based on those flimsy conditions. You have said so, yourself -- in your (previously quoted) “Judy Andreas’ Letter: Opening Up Jewish Eyes, 02/10/2005. Here is what YOU say:
“Religion, parental warnings, government statements and rules were not blindly accepted. They had to make sense to me, and they rarely did. I grimaced when some authority figure told me, "It's true because I say it's true.
L.D. Continues by asking J.A.:
1. On what basis do you reach the conclusion that this “is not the Majority View?” Obviously, you haven’t taken a broad survey of the U.S. nor the world. You have talked with your friends, certainly not a group that is large enough to have statistical significance on which to base the beliefs of the whole country or the world!
2. On what basis do you reach the conclusion that this “does not apply today?”
It clearly DOES apply today. The Zionists Jewish leaders are treating the Palestinians in the way that endorses virtually ALL the quotations from the Talmud given by Michael Hoffman and the Jewish person from Dallas. The Zionist, Jewish Neo-Cons who are running the U.S. government are lying to the people of this country, including the Jewish Americans, and have ordered the wholesale slaughter of not only Palestinians, but Afghanistanis, Bosnians, Croatians, Iraqis, and are now planning to begin a slaughter of Iranians.
THIS is the present-day confirmation that the Zionist Jews are, INDEED, FOLLOWING the Talmud!
3. On what basis do you say that these statements from the Talmud “were not meant to be taken seriously”? You give no proof. What is happening in the world is proof enough, if one just opens his eyes.
J.A.: The statement that "whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell [Erubin 21b]" is not even found in the Talmud. The correct statement is "whosoever transgresses the words of the Scribes is liable for the death penalty."
L.D.: So, out of ALL the quotations that the “Jew living in Dallas TX” wrote, the ONLY one you found to be slightly misquoted was this one? Out of 12 or 13 quotations? Apparently ALL the others were accurately quoted? Is that right?
And remember, this unnamed, apparently unknown “Jew living in Dallas, TX” (according to your own description) who wrote some comments about the Talmud that you found on some website on the internet, is hardly a first-rate, gold-plated, superior source of information.
J.A.: First, not every statement of the Rabbis falls in the category under discussion; and second, this is a typical example of exaggerated language -- there was no death penalty for violating a non-Torah law, but the Sages wanted to emphasize the importance of obeying the metaphorical fences they constructed around serious Torah prohibitions, in order to prevent people from accidentally violating the Torah law.
L.D.: Who says? How can you verify this? Are these your own conclusions? You give NO documentation for any your conclusions.
That is unacceptable journalistic “license”!
J.A.: In a note in the Soncino translation of the Talmud, Sanhedrin 57A, the editor notes that "not a few of these harsh utterances were the natural result of Jewish persecution by the Romans, and must be understood in that light. In actual practice, these dicta were certainly never acted upon, and it is significant that a commission of Roman officers, after investigating Jewish law in its relation to Gentiles, took exception to only two laws, one relating to the damage done by a goring ox, and the other permitting a Jew the use of property stolen from a Gentile. Rabbi Gamaliel repealed this latter law."
L.D.: WHO is the editor that wrote this “note” and on what documentation does he base his conclusions. And when did this “editor” write this? How did he “know” that these “dicta were never acted upon” as well as the other conclusions that he draws? He gives no evidence for his conclusions. Nor do you!
J.A.: The word nidah does not mean filth. It means separated, and in the context of Avodah Zarah 36b means that it is forbidden for Jews to marry non-Jews. www.jewish.com/askarabbi Copyright (c) 2000 by Rabbi David J.B. Krishef. All Rights Reserved. http://jewish.com/askarabbi/askarabbi/askr4942.htm
L.D.: According to Strong’s Concordance, available at any religious bookstore, the Hebrew word niddah (# 5079 in Strong’s Concordance) does, indeed, mean “filthy, unclean or something to be rejected.” Anyone can look it up.
J.A.: Although the second article gave me insights, it did not thoroughly negate the possibility that the Talmud was indeed a racist document. And yet, I suspect that the Jews who still mouth those beliefs are in the minority. I would venture to guess that most Jewish people are not privy to that version of the Talmud.
L.D.: The only reason they may not be “privy” to that version of the Talmud, is that they prefer to remain ignorant of it!
J.A.: I would venture to guess that the quotes may belong to an era which no longer exists and has little to do with today's civilization.
L.D.: The slaughtering of innocent citizens of many countries (including Afghanistan and Iraq, and soon Iran because Israel is REALLY running the war. Ariel Sharon, himself, said so) by the Zionists Jews, as well as the lying by the Zionist Jews to the Americans, British, Australians, Germans, and citizens of many other countries, is PROOF that those quotes from the Talmud belong to THIS era of civilization!
J.A.: To measure all Jews with a supremacist yardstick is akin to saying that all Christians chant in front of a 40 foot owl or all Catholics are pedophiles and cannibals.
L.D.: There you go again with that inflammatory “supremacist” word, a word that I NEVER said. This is from your own imagination!
J.A.: A wonderful man recently said to me "Judy, you have restored my faith in Jewish people. Before I met you, I thought that all Jews were winking and nodding and planning to take over the world." His words aroused both a sense of gratitude as well as a sense of sadness within me. I realized how easily people have stereotyped ALL Jews because of the sins of SOME Jews.
L.D.: “Stereotyping of ALL Jews” NEVER occurred in the interview you are referring to in your article, my guest spot on Jeff Rense’s program.
J.A.: Perhaps I am unique or maybe I am not. I know that there are many who are far more outspoken than I. I suspect that there are others who are just too frightened to come forward. Organizations such as the ADL can make life a living hell. Perhaps there are Jews who retreat into fear and paranoia when they read the endless accusations and gross distortions. Perhaps there are others who strike back while pictures of the popularized version of the Nazi Holocaust play on the movie screens of their minds.
Too many people have been effectively silenced.
L.D.: Indeed, too many people HAVE been effectively silenced. And that is EXACTLY what you are trying to do to me! You paint me with gross distortions and endless accusations.
J.A.: And yet, it doesn't have to be this way.
L.D.: What a relief that would be for us non-Jews!
J.A.: Not long ago, a man on the Internet made a statement that there are no poor Jews. Having been a poor Jew for many years while I raised three children, I was aghast at his remark.
L.D.: Here is your admission that you, indeed, DO consider yourself a Jew! Why would you say at the beginning of your essay that there are “many who still consider me Jewish”? As though you DON’T consider yourself Jewish!
J.A.: Having interfaced with many poor Jews, I could only shake my head in amazement. Having had friends whose husbands had abandoned them when their children were small and they had been forced to work themselves out of the hell of welfare, I could hardly believe that this gentleman was serious. And yet, when you deal in stereotypes and hate rhetoric, you begin to believe the lies. You become a perfect pawn for the New World Order.
There is a great divide and it is growing wider with each passing day. We have reached crisis proportions. Divided we will certainly fall. It is imperative that we look beyond the labels and the stereotypes. Jews and Gentiles alike are being manipulated by diabolically clever strategists.
L.D.: But attacks by you, against me, like this one, are certainly not going to help the situation.
J.A.: Perhaps a disproportionate amount are Jewish, I haven't counted.
L.D.: It would be a good thing for you to begin counting. I think that you would find that a disproportionate amount ARE Jewish!
J.A.: I only know that we must find a way to communicate with one another. I only know that our bigotry and endless finger pointing are perfect fodder for the "divide and conquer" strategy of our manipulators.
L.D.: Including the immense amount of “finger-pointing” you have included in your essay! One good way to start open communication with one another is for the Jews to begin openly studying the events of the “Holocaust” jointly with the Revisionists.
If you won’t do that, you must answer “Why?”
J.A.: "Blessed are the peacemakers"
L.D.: Indeed, “Blessed are the peacemakers.” These are the words of Jesus Christ, the ONLY truly righteous One who ever lived on this earth!
Copyright 2005 Judy Andreas
Comments by Dr. Lorraine Day