Dr. Lorraine Day’s Response to Seventh-day Adventist Vance Ferrell

If you have written “literally hundreds of articles over the years” as you say, so many that you do not recall the one you wrote against me, then you should not be so quick to deny so vigorously that you ever wrote that article against me. Now you admit that your initial vehement denials were incorrect. And you don’t even have the basic courtesy to apologize for your mistake in denying that you wrote that article.

Furthermore, you continue to show your ignorance of the issue at hand by claiming that I believe in Universalism, which I do not. I will explain it to you once again, since you didn’t “get it” the first time around. Those who believe in Universalism believe that God is going to save people in their sins. I do not believe that. I believe in Universal Restoration, the belief that God is going to save all people from their sins. But you are wearing such blinders that you don’t seem to be able to understand the difference.

In addition, because I believe in Universal Restoration, somehow you attribute to me the belief that God is going to suddenly convert all people on this earth before they die. I have never said that, and I have never believed that. You are again putting words in my mouth that I have never said.

(And by the way, I have not “revised” my earlier book on “What Happens at the Judgment.” It is the same today as when I first wrote it.)

If you would read my book carefully rather than skimming through it superficially, you would find that I believe that when Jesus comes the only ones who will be taken to heaven are those who truly died in Christ. And they will be in heaven with Christ for the millennium. But we both agree that “time” does not end when Jesus comes. “Time” continues after the millennium, when the unsaved will be resurrected for the Judgment.

And that is where our paths of belief separate. You believe that God will resurrect the unsaved dead in order to kill them again – in a torturing, fiery hell. (Why would a loving God do that? If God’s plan is to annihilate them, why wouldn’t He just leave the unsaved dead in their graves? Why would He resurrect them just to kill them again?) But your beliefs are unbiblical because the Bible defines the word “judgment” as follows:

God’s word tells us that the Judgment is to allow people to reap what they have sown, but not to eternal annihilation – instead, to turn people back to right-doing (righteousness) just the way a loving parent disciplines his or her children – to turn them back to right-doing – not to kill them.

The “turning around” does not occur for every one in this life. Those who don’t learn to know God in this life will all be back for the Judgment, at which time they will then start reaping what they have sown, the results of which will eventually turn them back to “right-doing.”

I realize that the concept of a Loving God is abhorrent to you – a God who disciplines His children in much the same way as a loving earthly parent disciplines his children, because you prefer a Killer God who is going to burn His children in hellfire “for as long as they deserve,” keeping them artificially alive so He can torture them as much as He believes they deserve.

You are just proving the Bible truth that “you become like the God you worship.” Because you believe that those who don’t agree with your doctrines should burn in hell, you worship a God who will do just that, a God who disobeys His own law that says: “Love your enemies. Do good to them that hate you.”

You believe in an impotent God who “would like” to save everyone, and “is trying” to save everyone – but can’t! You believe that God is incapable of doing what He came to this earth to do, even though the Bible clearly states: “Behold the lamb of God, who TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD.” John 1:29

Jesus did not come to earth “to offer” salvation to people, nor did He come to earth to “take away the sin of” some people in the world. The Bible says He came to “take away the sin - - - - of the world!”

“Is there anything too hard for the Lord?” Genesis 18:14 (Apparently you believe there IS!)

Obviously, you don’t believe that Jesus can do what He came to this earth to do. You believe that Satan has out-smarted God, and that the supposed “free will” of human beings is stronger than the will of God, even though God says:

There it is! You cannot “out-sin” grace. No one can “out-sin” grace. Right there is the proof of Universal Restoration, along with at least 100 more texts in the Bible that confirm the same thing.

You falsely state in your most recent letter that I believe “that no human being will be kept out of heaven.” Again, I have never said that, nor have I ever believed that. The vast majority of those who have lived on this earth will not be in heaven and I have stated that many times on my website at www.goodnewsaboutgod.com As you know full well, eternity will be spent on this earth, after it is made new, not in heaven. It is at the judgment that the unsaved will have their minds opened to their sins and will begin reaping what they have sown that will eventually culminate in their “turning back to right-doing.”

But again, that oft-screamed slogan from evangelists comes raging to your mind, “NO SECOND CHANCE!” If I’ve heard that once from the mouths of present-day Adventist preachers, I have heard it a thousand times. If that is true, then human beings are far more loving than God because human beings give their children unlimited chances to do right. I guess when your children were learning to walk, if they fell down more than once, you burned them to death – right? Or if your teenagers disobeyed your rules just once, you burned them to death – right? That’s certainly the kind of God you worship!

The Bible tells us that the Shepherd searched for the one lost sheep - - - - - - until He found it. There was no cut-off time. The woman searched for the one lost coin - - - - - - until she found it. There was no cut-off time. Both of those parables were told by Jesus to illustrate His own character, the character of the God I worship. It is too bad you worship a different “God.”

I am not suggesting that people “postpone repentance until the last minute” as you state in your letter. But cajoling them “into the church” does not make them holy, either. My point is that repentance can only come through a person recognizing his absolute need for Jesus to run his life, not through some evangelist putting pressure on him in a public altar call.

I realize that it is much easier for you and others to build a church following of people willing to pay your salary if you can continually scare them into joining your church under the threat of a “burning hellfire.” By joining a church they believe they are acquiring “fire insurance.” But somehow you apparently are completely unaware that the word “hell” is not even in the Bible, in the original manuscripts. It was “written into” the Bible by the translators. It was a deliberate concoction of evil St. Augustine and subsequently, the Catholic Church.

Christianity is not a religion – it is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. It was the Pharisees who started the organized church with buildings and a hierarchy where people came in and sat down to hear a sermon. In God’s temple service, no one was allowed inside the temple except the priests. So, no one “went to church” for the first 4,000 years of this earth’s history.

And the ones who started the type of “organized church” you pastor today, were the Pharisees – the enemies of Christ - the ones who ended up calling for the execution of Christ.

And all the ranting and raving of evangelists pressuring people to “come to Jesus” will never cause true regeneration in even one heart. God is the only One who can open the mind and heart to the person’s need for Jesus to run his life, and that always comes through “trouble” in one’s life. That is why Jesus promised:

You accuse me of maligning the character of God by my saying that Jesus will be able to do what He came to do – “take away the sin of the world.” But in truth, you are the one maligning the character of God by saying that Jesus will fail in His mission to “take away the sin of the world. You believe that Jesus did not “count the cost” before He came to earth to save the world. Yet, it was Jesus, Himself, who gave the following parable:

Jesus did not “bite off more than He could chew.” Jesus did “count the cost” and knew before He came to this earth that He could – and would – be able to accomplish all He came to do – “take away the sin of the whole world.”

God has given ALL into the hands of the Son, and that same “ALL” will come to Jesus, because those are His own words!

One cannot be someone’s “Savior” unless He actually “saves him” - just like you cannot be someone’s teacher unless you actually “teach” that person.

I realize that you cannot understand God’s word until God opens your mind, and I will pray that He will do that for you. The problem is that human beings see God through their own character – not through God’s character. They worship a God just like themselves.

If one is pure in heart, He will be able to see the purity of the character of God. But if one wants to see his enemies burn in hell, He worships a God who will do just that. If one is “habitually disposed to disobedience and opposition (froward)” he will worship a God who “kills His enemies,” a God who disobeys His own Commandments.

I have never “demanded” that you remove from your website that “hit piece” against me. Please show me, in any of the two previous letters I sent you, where I “demanded” or even suggested that you remove that article from your website. On the contrary, by leaving it up, you confirm all that I have said about you in my letters: that you lied about not having written it, that you do not understand the concept of Universal Restoration, and that you have misquoted me extensively, not only in the article, but in your subsequent letters to me – all of which will be posted in their entirety on my website.

And I have already given, in my previous letter to you, the website address where people can find the “hit piece” you wrote against me. And that letter is posted on my website for anyone to read. No further instructions (as the complex ones you suggested) are necessary.

If you want to show that you have some integrity, you will post all of my correspondence to you, and your complete responses to me, along with the “hit piece” against me that you have already posted on your website, as I have done on my website – in their entirety. That way, the person reading all the information can make up his or her own mind, which is the only fair way to handle this situation.

One final thing, I just want to remind you that I was not the one who started this conversation. It was you, with your inaccurate hit piece against me that started it all. Yes, I do believe in Universal Restoration (which is not the same as Universalism), because I believe in a God who is capable of accomplishing what He came to earth to do, a God who is truly omnipotent, a God whose “will” cannot be superseded by the puny, shortsighted, “will” of man.

Lorraine Day, M.D.
P.O. Box 8
Thousand Palms, CA 92276

May 27, 2011

Vance Ferrell
Box 300
Altamont, TN 37301

Dear Mr. Farrell:

Somehow, I never expected you to flat-out lie when confronted with the truth. The article you say you didn’t write is not only posted on your website at www.sdadefend.com but your initials - vf - are at the end of the article, proving that you wrote it. How can you try to pawn it off on someone else?

You wrote a “hit” piece against me which contains lies, then you posted it on your website with your initials at the bottom, and now you claim that you never wrote it and no such article exists. How can you do these things and claim to be a Christian?

In addition, on the home page of your websit vance_ferrell2.html e it says, “Unless otherwise noted, all material authored by Vance Ferrell.” But that is beside the point in this instance because at the end of the “hit” piece against me, you claim authorship for that article with your initials, as you do for the other two articles on other subjects that are posted along with it.

Here is the link on your website where I found that article, with your initials at the bottom: http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-U-Z/Universalism.pdf

And just in case you take that article down and claim that it was never posted there, a number of other people have already seen it posted at that address on your website. In fact, I found out about it when someone else e-mailed that link to me.

Also, because the article is in PDF format and does not show your website address at the bottom of each printed page, I have taken a picture of the screen showing the title of the article and your website address above it which is proof of where it is posted. But your initials at the bottom of the article prove your authorship, and prove that you are not telling the truth.

If you actually do have “so many” websites that you can’t keep track of all the information on all of them, then you have too many websites and you need to get rid of some of them, unless you have done that by design to use as an excuse for not knowing, or taking responsibility for, what is posted on them.

In addition, I pointed out to you in my last letter that you are the one who does not believe in Ellen White’s writings because in your book on alternative health, the majority of the alternatives you promote, 1) do not work, and 2) are contrary to God’s Natural Health Plan, which is the only Plan that does work. Obviously, you do not believe in God’s Natural Health Plan, because if you did believe in it, you would not be promoting all these other useless alternatives.

One more thing, I’m wondering why you have addressed me by my first name in your letter. We do not know each other, and as far as I know we have never even met, and, even worse, you have posted a “hit” piece against me on your website. So, addressing me with such familiarity is both discourteous and presumptuous.

You stated in your letter that when you “find” the article (on your website) that you wrote against me, you “may substitute in place of it SOME of the ‘key points’ in my letter to you.” Wouldn’t that be “convenient” for you, to take excerpts – out of context - from my letter and post them on your website. Can’t you ever stop this deception and hypocrisy? Is it impossible for you to deal fairly?

If you are going to post anything about me, then, be honest, and post my entire letter which is what I have done with both my letters and yours, on my website. I haven’t taken any “excerpts” out of your letter. I allow people to read everything written by both you and me.

In addition, the information about me that you published in the 1980s about which you said in the “P.S. portion” of your letter, “Everything is positive about you,” is a transcript of an interview that I had on someone else’s radio show, which you have no right to copy since you have given no credit to the host on whose show I was a guest. You obviously took it, and reprinted it, without permission, and that is dishonest, as well.

Your letter of response only made things worse because you have shown yourself to be a man without integrity who will lie and not take responsibility for what he has done. And yet you are pointing the finger at me for my “strange beliefs”? I guess I do have “strange” beliefs and “unusual” views according to you, because I believe in honesty, which obviously you do not!

Again, I suggest you re-read Matt 7:3-5 about the “mote and the beam.” Jesus defined that person as a hypocrite!

Yours truly,

Lorraine Day, M.D.

Enclosures:

“Hit” piece article written against Dr. Lorraine Day by Vance Ferrell
A copy of the home page of your website at www.sdadefend.com which says, “Unless otherwise noted, all material authored by Vance Ferrell.”

Just this week I was informed of the “hit piece” you have written against me on your website. Apparently there are some people who look up to you so I find it incredulous that you have chosen to take the “low road” – in fact, the really “low road” - in your diatribe against me.

I am speaking of the article entitled “Lorraine Day Accepts Universalism” (below) that is posted on your website at sdadefend.com You have written two pages, but it takes a longer response on my part to correct your many errors.

Even your title is wrong. Apparently you do not know the difference between “Universalism” and “Universal Restoration.” If you did know the difference, you would have been much more accurate in your article. I do not believe in “Universalism.” Those who believe in Universalism believe that God is going to save everyone IN their sins. I make it very clear in my book “What Happens at the Judgment” that I do not believe that God is going to save everyone IN their sins.

I believe in “Universal Restoration” – the belief that God, not Satan, is in control of this world, and that God is great enough to win His children back and eventually to save everyone FROM their sins, after they have reaped what they have sown. That is vastly different from “Universalism.” You have failed to make that distinction either because you are ignorant of the difference, or you have purposely chosen to mislead people about my beliefs. Please tell me which it is.

I do not believe in “Cheap Grace.” I do not believe that anyone will be saved until he accepts Jesus Christ, and until he reaps what he has sown and is changed in every way by becoming a “new creation” in Christ, and until he has learned to exhibit the character of Christ.

I also do not believe that God created a being – Satan - who is smarter than God, a being who knows how to win God’s children away from God, yet God does not know how to win them back, which is apparently what you believe. That makes God the biggest “loser” of all. Satan has outsmarted Him, or so you believe. A “god” like that, one who breaks His own commandments by burning billions in a fiery hell, is really no bigger than a plastic statue that some poor souls stick on the dashboard of his car.

In addition, you start your critique of my beliefs by “painting” me with the brush of Mike Clute, alleging that he believes that God is a woman – and thereby implying that I believe the same thing.

I do not now believe, nor have I ever believed, that God is a woman. Why would you imply such a thing? Why would you stoop to that level?

Next you give a quote from someone who states I have “spent many hours on the phone with” them trying to convince them that the fires of hell are only symbolic cleansing, but you do not give the name of the individual, or else that person is so cowardly he refuses to give his name. But I know exactly who it is, because there is only one person in my entire life who I have spent time with on the phone talking about Universal Restoration.

I am far too busy to have the time to spend “many hours on the phone with” people, so that narrows it down to only one person who could have written that - the disgruntled husband of one of my former Academy roommates, a man who apparently hates the idea of a loving God.

This former roommate and I saw each other at an Academy reunion about 10 years ago, after not having seen each other for 50 years. She said she had heard about my beliefs and asked me to explain them to her. So she invited me to her hotel room and we spent the whole afternoon studying together. I asked if she would like further information and she said, “Yes,” so I mailed it to her. Subsequently, we talked on the phone at regular intervals so I could answer any of her questions on the subject. That is the only person I have ever talked to on the phone at any length about Universal Restoration, and I did it at her request.

It became clear over time that her husband was not only very controlling, but he was also very antagonistic towards Universal Restoration. However, if she, herself, wrote that statement, and not her husband, then she is being very disingenuous, indeed.

Your next attempt to discredit me is related to a quote I used from a book by Fred Wright, a man I have never met. But you make sure to point out that Fred Wright “was caught in adultery in the late 1970s or 1980s” – yet you give no proof at all. If you do not have absolute proof for that allegation, you are guilty of committing legally actionable libel against Mr. Wright.

I have no way of knowing if your accusation against Mr. Wright is true, but what does that have to do with me? Obviously, you want to “smear” me with Fred Wright’s alleged “adultery” to somehow taint my writings, just like you want to “smear” me with Mike Clute’s alleged belief that God is a woman!

Is there no way you can just stick to the facts of my writings rather than trying to besmirch my reputation with that of Fred Wright and Mike Clute? You are obviously trying to “paint” me with their alleged indiscretions. You want your readers to believe I am “guilty by association.” That is a very devious, dishonest, and totally unchristian way for you to behave. Why are you groveling around in this type of “National Enquirer” journalism?

In addition, Abraham committed adultery. Do you refuse to preach about him and his faith – faith that God extols - because of that? David committed adultery. Do you refuse to read or quote the Psalms because of that? Moses was a murderer. Do you refuse to read or quote any verse in the first five books of the Bible because of that?

I doubt it. Your feigned morality is capricious, indeed. Remember the “mote in thy brother’s eye, and the beam in your own,” of which Jesus spoke. Matt 7:2,3

And yet you try to impute to me the purported “sins” of others. That is very unfair and downright cowardly on your part. It is also the antithesis of Jesus Christ.

Further down on the first page you totally misquote me again by saying, “She then tries to convince the reader that it is really all right to sin.” That is a false, libelous statement that it is legally actionable. And even worse, it is a lie and you dishonor God by breaking His commandments. Again, your sleazy journalism is not becoming to you. I have never said that. I have always said there are serious consequences to sinning.

What I have said, that you seem to enjoy taking out of context, is that if sin is still attractive to people, then they are not ready to be with the Lord, and they can continue to sin all they want until they make a big enough mess of their life that they finally realize their absolute need for Christ to run their life for them. It is through bad decisions, and the pain and trouble that those bad decisions bring, that will finally lead us to Christ and His truth.

That is very different from the words you tried to put in my mouth.

Unfortunately, you have become just like the vengeful, angry, “God” you worship, as the Bible tells us will happen. “By beholding, we become changed.” (2 Cor 3:18) You worship a “Killer” God – one who destroys his enemies – and, as the Bible states, you have, indeed, become just like that “God.”

And just a word on the issue of “Free Will.” God says that He is “operating ALL in accord with the counsel of His OWN Will.” (Ephesians 1:11) NOT OUR Will! God is in control. We are not. If you believe that God can’t save a man unless that man “lets” God save him, then you believe that man’s will supersedes God’s will. In that case, you have dethroned God, and you have become your own god. That’s pitiful! And that’s blasphemy!

One more thing! When I went to your website to retrieve the misleading article you wrote against me, I saw that you have written a book about Alternative Cancer Remedies which contains a compilation of dozens of Alternative therapies that do NOT work. I know from experience, because I tried over forty of them myself when I had cancer. A number of them did work to varying degrees 70 or 80 years ago, but they don’t work anymore because the lifestyle of Americans, including the lifestyle of Seventh-day Adventists, has changed so dramatically over the last 7 or 8 decades. Obviously, you would not know these methods no longer work because you have never had the opportunity to try them when your life was on the line, as I have.

If you would like to educate yourself on those alternative methods and find out why they don’t work, I will be happy to send you a copy of my DVD entitled, “Sorting Through the Maze of Alternative Medicine: What Works, What Doesn’t and Why” at no charge to you, that is, if you are willing to watch it.

Just the fact that you promote these other alternative methods shows that you are the one who does not believe in God’s Health Plan, because you are still looking for “another way” for people to Get Well. There is only one way to get well and that is by following God’s natural Health Plan. Apparently you have not yet learned that.

God promises to “heal ALL our diseases” (Psalm 103:3) but only if we do it His way, and only His way, using only the things that He has created, and using them only in the form He has created them. That excludes ALL of those other alternative methods you are promoting in your book.

God promises to “keep us free from every disease IF we follow His laws, His Commandments, and His decrees.” (Deut 7:11-15) So why are so many people sick and dying in your church?

God’s laws include the Ten Health Laws that I used to get well – the Ten Health Laws that are on my DVDs. In my CD series, “Stress Success: Overcoming Stress in a Stressful World” I discuss God’s Ten Commandments and show they are much farther-reaching than any churches, including the SDA churches teach (including the “independent” ones). And God’s decrees I discuss in detail on my other DVDs and in my Workbook.

Those healing promises given by God were written in Deuteronomy and Psalms over 3,000 years ago, long before most of those alternative methods you write about were even around. So how did God fulfill His promises of healing 3,000 years ago? The same way He fulfills His healing promises today, by our using only the things that God has created, and using them only in the form God created them.

Those alternative cancer remedies you are promoting will only lead people in the wrong direction - away from God and His Natural Health Plan - so these poor unfortunate people will not be able to reverse their diseases and get well.

As your last “parting shot” in your article against me, you say, “We are told that it was through reading in the Spirit of Prophecy that she first learned about the natural remedies which removed her breast cancer. But now she has abandoned those precious counsels.”

You are dead wrong in every aspect of that assessment. First of all, I grew up as a Seventh-day Adventist, the daughter of a well known and highly respected, and very spiritual and kind Adventist pastor, evangelist, and conference president. I knew the Adventist version of the “health message” from the time I could walk and talk. But the Adventist version of the health message is not enough to get a person well from any serious disease such as cancer, Parkinson’s, multiple sclerosis, or all the other diseases that church-going Seventh-day Adventists are dying from every day. If that SDA version worked, you wouldn’t see so many sick and dying members – and leaders - in the Adventist church, including in the “independent” Adventist churches.

Diseases – including cancers – do not “fall from the sky” nor do they “just happen.” We give them to ourselves slowly, one day at a time, over a long period of time, by the way we live, think, act, eat, and handle stress.

And ALL diseases begin in the “heart.” They are “spiritual” problems long before any physical symptoms appear in the body. They are “spiritual” problems because we want to live, think, act, eat, and handle stress our way, rather than God’s way.

At the end of your critical article you accuse me of “abandoning those precious counsels” of Ellen White. But you are the one who has abandoned Ellen White’s writings and the Bible because you are promoting “cancer remedies” that are not compatible with God’s Word, and that are against Ellen White’s writings. You also have no interest in pursuing the truth of the Bible. Therefore, you are the one who does not believe Ellen White’s writings because she says the following:

“Let no one come to the conclusion that there is no more truth to be revealed. The diligent, prayerful seeker for truth will find precious rays of light yet to shine forth from the word of God.” Counsels on Sabbath School Work, p. 34

“There is no excuse for anyone in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make an error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation.” Review and Herald, Dec 20, 1892

“We cannot hold that a position once taken, an idea once advocated, is not, under any circumstances, to be relinquished. There is but One who is infallible - - - He is the way, the truth, and the life. . .If the pillars of our faith will not stand the test of investigation, it is time we knew it.” Testimonies to Ministers, pp 105 and 107.

“The Bible and the Bible alone, is our creed, the sole bond of union; all who bow to this holy Word will be in harmony. . . Man is fallible, but God’s Word is infallible.

“We have many lessons to learn, and many, many to unlearn. God and heaven alone are infallible. Those who think that they will never have to give up a cherished view, never have occasion to change an opinion, will be disappointed.

“In regard to infallibility, I NEVER claimed it. God ALONE is infallible. Selected Messages, Book On, pp 415 and 37.

You are the one, not I, who has rejected these writings of Ellen White because 1) you are smug in your belief that you have nothing more to learn from the Bible, and 2) you are promoting methods of “cancer remedies” that are antithetical to, and incompatible with, Ellen White’s writings and the Bible.

One of the most health-destroying, detrimental characteristics that you can have is the belief that you are better than other people, a belief that every member of every organized church “cherishes.” They all think, “I have the whole truth. There is nothing more I need to learn. And I made the right choice. I’m saved – and all you other poor blokes out there are going to burn in hell, because you didn’t make the right choice – as I did!” This is a deadly attitude that pervades all the organized churches, including – and especially - the Seventh-day Adventist churches (both structure churches and independent), whether or not anyone wants to admit it. I went to Adventist schools from the first grade up through college, so I know very well how Adventists look at “outsiders.”

Just remember, Jesus Christ was murdered by the arrogant leaders of the organized church of His time, those who believed they “had all the truth” and needed nothing more – the haughty Pharisees - who also thought they were better than everyone else. It was these same leaders of the organized church, the Pharisees, who were the tithe-paying, Sabbath-keeping, health-reforming, Adventists of their time (they were looking for the First Advent of Christ), who called for the Death of Jesus Christ.

It will be the same group – the tithe-paying, Sabbath-keeping, health-reforming Adventists - in the end times that are right upon us, that will be the leaders – the front liners - in calling for the persecution and Death of the true followers of Christ, the true followers who believe that “God is no respecter of persons” (Acts 10:34), those who believe what the Bible says, that “God is the Saviour of ALL mankind” (1 Timothy 4:10) because God loves everyone the same.

Adventists and other Christians like to distort this text by saying, “Well, God would like to save all mankind, but He can’t because some don’t want to be saved.” But that is a major distortion of the truth of the Bible.

God tells us plainly:

“The Father has given ALL into the hands of the Son.” John 3:35

And here are Jesus’ own words in response to that text:

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